|Per week:||$1,295 - $1,495|
Description of the Orlando vacation villa rental
Fantastic villa - great location - super value for money
Florida Star is a very well located, well equipped luxurious villa. Straightforward booking process and excellent support from Management Company during your stay if required.
Welcome to Florida Star villa. We, Ed and Gill Danvers, the owners, know that choosing a rental villa can be a difficult decision, with so many available, wide ranging prices and locations which may not mean much to you, especially if you have not visited the area before. It can be difficult choosing your holiday home from an internet site. We know this because we have rented villas ourselves in the past.
Let us give you some details here, then if you have any specific questions, please do not hesitate to contact us without any obligation.
Glenbrook resort, located within an easy 10 minute drive from Disney is also convenient for other parks. It is conveniently situated for a great selection of restaurants. Other major parks are only a short drive away. Whilst Florida Star offers everything for a great vacation, the resort offers a communal pool, gym, tennis and sand volley ball along with a clubhouse. To be honest many of our guests have found that they have everything they want at Florida Star other than perhaps an occasional visit to the gym. Whilst Glenbrook is described as a resort, this is because of the communal facilities. It is very peaceful.
As you walk through the front door (keys available in a lock box outside so no need to find a remote office to pick these up), you will be greeted by the formal lounge and dining area off the vaulted lobby overlooked by the first floor landing.. A place for the adults to relax. No TV here but a Sony Hi Fi to help set the mood. Leading off the lobby is the game room, a great hit for the kids (and many adults). We have a full size slate bed American pool table, Air Hockey, Foosball (bar football) and electronic darts. There is also a pub table with tall chairs and CD player. The room is decorated with sporting pictures. Some of them you may recognize, others you may debate.
Walking through to the large open plan kitchen, nook (dining area) and family room. You will notice the light and airy feel, with the vaulted ceiling overlooked by the first floor landing and 2 large patio doors leading to the pool deck. The kitchen is fully equipped with all modern facilities. Seating at the breakfast table for 6 with an additional 3 at the breakfast bar. In the family area we have a 50 inch Sony cable HDTV flat screen TV with Bose sound system and DVD. A selection of DVD's is provided.
Leading off the family room is the first master king bedroom with four poster bed, LCD TV and DVD, en-suite bathroom with his and hers wash basins, corner bath and walk in shower. The bedroom also has a large walk in closet and patio doors leading to the pool deck.
We know that you are on vacation, but should you need it, there is a well equipped laundry area leading off the kitchen with washer, drier and upgraded ironing facilities.
Outside in the pool area we have an extended pool deck with lots of space. This is generously equipped with luxury furniture. Loungers, relaxers and table with seating for six. Enjoy the pool or relax in the spa. The pool is not overlooked by properties to the rear, adding to the privacy and solitude. On a clear night you may even get a view of the Disney fireworks from here.
Going upstairs you will find a further six bedrooms off the spacious landing, One King Master with en-suite, two Queen bedrooms, Two twin bedrooms and one bunkroom. In all sleeping for 14 in real beds, however we do find that many smaller parties enjoy the space and facilities Florida Star has to offer. On the landing overlooking the family room there is a computer with free high speed internet access, great for checking attractions, directions, checking in for your flight home to avoid queues at the airport (if your airline provides this facility) and even booking tickets. This also enables you to download your photos from your camera's media card onto CD or flash memory.
The pool area is a lot of fun but care needs to be taken especially for the very young or elderly. All pools in Lake County must have a security fence. This can be removed if you wish.
We also have a combination fire safe for your use if you require this.
Please feel free to ask any questions about Florida Star when considering a booking without any obligation. We have many satisfied guests who have recommended us to family and friends, after your stay we want you to feel comfortable in doing the same.
|Dec 01 2013||Dec 19 2013||-||-||$1,295||-||5 Nights|
|Dec 20 2013||Jan 04 2014||-||-||$1,495||-||2 Weeks|
|Jan 05 2014||Mar 31 2014||-||-||$1,295||-||5 Nights|
|Apr 01 2014||Aug 31 2014||-||-||$1,395||-||5 Nights|
|Jun 01 2014||Aug 31 2014||-||-||$1,395||-||5 Nights|
|Sep 01 2014||Oct 01 2014||-||-||$1,395||-||5 Nights|
|Sep 01 2014||Nov 30 2014||-||-||$1,395||-||5 Nights|
|Nov 01 2014||Dec 19 2014||-||-||$1,325||-||5 Nights|
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|Check In: 4 p.m. Check Out: 10 a.m.|
|Lodging tax: Tax included|
|Deposits: Reservation deposit $350 with balance due 10 weeks from the date of leaving the villa|
|Payment Options: American Express, Mastercard, Money Order, PayPal, Personal Check, Visa|
|Other Fees: Security deposit $350 refundable after your stay Pool heat (if required) $95 per week|
- 2 King Beds
- 2 Queen Beds
- 6 Twin Beds
- 1 Crib
- Air Conditioning
- Game Room
- Pool Table
- Beach Towels
- Linens Provided
- Private Pool
- Full Kitchen
- High Speed Internet
- Parking Included
- Alarm Clock
- DVD Player
- TV (Cable/Satellite)
- CD Player
- Hair Dryer
- Refrigerator (Full)
- Ceiling Fan
- Ice Maker
- Coffee Maker
- Gym/Fitness Center
- Volleyball Court
- Grocery Store
- Miniature Golf
- Shopping Area
- Theme Park
Other Vacation Rental Amenities
Reviews for this vacation villa rental in Orlando, Florida
July 30, 2013
The villa was perfect. We felt very spoilt with the quality of the furnishings and the overall size of the villa
Whitney Shauntel Odom
Wonderful & Relaxing Stay
June 26, 2013
My family and I stayed at the Florida Star for an entire week, and it was one of the best stays we have had in Orlando thus far. The property is well kept and clean, and our stay was hassle-free and relaxing. If I absolutely had to find a complaint, it would be that our drive to Disney World was longer than expected; it was about a 25 minute drive on average. Everything else was wonderful, and I would definitely recommend this property to anyone looking to vacation in Orlando in a home away from home!
Heather Archibald Robertson
March 16, 2013
This was the first time that we have rented a house for a vacation. We needed a large home that would provide enough space and privacy for the 7 adults and 1 child in our group, celebrating our grandson’s third birthday at Disney. Each couple had the use of their own bathroom, which made our mornings stress free. There was never a shortage of hot water for showering. The house met all of our needs and exceeded our expectations. The kitchen is well stocked with everything you could possibly need to prepare a meal and the new appliances were a treat. The owners, Gill and Ed are very gracious and easy to deal with. We were particularly impressed to find the house well lit for our arrival, which was very late after a long drive. Upon entering the villa, we found it to be very welcoming with its tastefully appointed decor. The community itself is very quiet and just a short drive to Disney. Our only regret is that we didn’t have more time to spend relaxing around the pool during our busy two week stay. We’d like to thank the Danvers for providing an outstanding alternative to hotels. The Robertson Family
March 8, 2013
Enjoyed our stay. Home is very clean and nicley appointed.
Ben Ruz Golfers
March 4, 2013
We have been coming to Fla for years to golf in Feb. This house is by far the best we have ever rented. It had the best pool and Hot Tub. We are all a little older and loved the Hot Tub that got hot. The house has everything you would need for your stay. The Kithchen was well stocked. We cant wait to come back next year. We will definetly rent this house again. Thanks For all you did for us we really enjoted your home.
September 17, 2012
Firstly so clean Decor picture perfect All appliances worked perfect and lots of towels and 2nd sheet sets if needed Lots of dishes and pots and pans Info package was great with lots of ideas for eating out and shopping very close. We found a quick walk to the grocery and drug stores. The clubhouse with tennis courts and playground are also a quick walk. The home is very well cared for and the pool area has lots of seating room and lounging. Close to Disney and really all of the sites you want in the Orlando area We also had the need to go to the local hospital on 2 occasions and it was easy to find and very modern as well. The home next door is also a rental and the family renting there came over for a visit and left very jealous that they were not staying at our rental. One of our family's best vacations We will be repeating this wonderful vacation at this beautiful home again soon
Harford County Maryland
Florida Star Villa
July 2, 2012
We just came back from renting the Florida Star Villa for a week. After reading several reviews online I was hoping that the villa was as nice as everyone said it was. This home was very nice and we had more then enough room for everyone to spread out and enjoy the home while on vacation. My husband and I have stayed at several hotels in the Orlando area and this was the first time that we had rented a house for the family to enjoy while on vacation. I along with everyone in our family enjoyed this so much more then being in a hotel. The kitchen has everything in it that you need to cook and the refrigerator was a great size for putting all of our food in it for the week. The kids loved the pool even though it was a little cool for the first couple of days due to the tropical storm that was passing through Florida. The game room was a big hit too. The kids would come back from the parks and hit the pool and then the game room. Our week was just about up and my step daughter was already talking about wanting to rent the house again next year. It was also great having a washer and dryer there as we were able to get most of the towels washed and dried before leaving on Saturday. The management ask that we would do at least one load of towels but we didn't mind doing a few loads to give them a hand and getting house ready for the next family coming there to stay. There is not one bad thing I would say about this house and the area around it. Plenty of stores around also. There is a nice super walmart about 2 miles away. Well... if you decide to rent this house you will not be disappointed.
Many thanks for taking the time to post your review. We didn't know that this was to be your first stay in a rented house. We are so pleased you enjoyed your stay and do hope that you will be able to visit again.
Thanks also for helping our Management Company with the towels, very much appreciated, Gill and Ed.
June 16, 2012
The villa was clean and spacious. We had 6 adults and 6 children and had plenty of room for everyone. The pool was clean and refreshing after a long, hot day at Disney World. There was plenty of shopping close to the villa makiing it fast and easy to get groceries and supplies for our stay. We had a wonderful vacation with lots of memories. Thanks for the fantastic place to stay!
May 11, 2012
We absolutely loved the home!!. We arrived early with 3 young children. We were told that we could use the community pool and play ground. the girls had a blast. the home was very clean and in very good shape. everything was fantastic. we loved everything about it. we especialy enjoyed the pool and hot tub!! the girls spent countless hours in both. they really enjoyed eating in the formal dining room. they declared it theirs as soon as we arrived. the home was so spacious that it didn't even feel like there were 9 people there. it was very convenient to shopping and attractions.the neighborhood was great as well. the property manager was very helpful. when we arrived he was in the process of getting a new gas grill as the other one was broken. he apologized for being there but it was no big deal to us. i have to say that everyone we dealt with was freindly and very accommodating. i would definetly rent it again.Thank you so much for making our vacation one we will always remember.
Chrystal L Tyminski Fernan
Rutland, VT USA
May 3, 2012
We absolutely loved our stay at this villa. There is not enough space in this review to list all of the positive things about this home. It was beautifully decorated and we felt at home as soon as we walked through the door. There were 9 of us staying there including 3 young children and yet we all had plenty of space, at times we even had to "search" for the kids. Everyone loved the game room and enjoyed some family fun! We would not hesitate to stay here again and hope that it's sooner rather than later. Thanks again for sharing your wonderful home with us!!
A Great Vacation our grandson loved the pool
March 8, 2012
We were three couples with two childern and your home was just wonderful we had plenty of room. We all enjoyed the pool and spa and my grandson really enjoyed the pool. your home is beautiful and clean and we felt at home there.We stayed at the house a couple of days just to enjoy your home and pool. I will be telling all my friends and family and we hope to come back again soon thank you P.M.
Many thanks for taking the time to post your review. We appreciate it, and more importantly we are really pleased your family and friends (particularly your grandson) enjoyed Florida Star. We try hard to ensure this is a place our guests love to stay. It's been a pleasure having you stay and we hope you will consider staying at Florida Star again if you plan another trip to the area.
Our own son is now 12 and the pool is still one of his favourite 'things to do' when he is on vacation.
Gill and Ed
3 years running
January 22, 2012
My name is Rebecca , 4 years ago we rented this home because we were having our first family vacation in over 10 years. We found it be accident and been going ever since. The owners are very helpful and willing to accommodate what ever you need or what your concerns may be. We will again book it for another year and hopefully many more to follow. Thank you Florida Star, Rebecca
Northeast Pennsylvania (USA)
July 30, 2011
My family of 8 adults and 3 children had a wonderful time in this home. The house had everything we needed from champagne flutes and tupperware to games and movies. Don't forget to check out the cabinets next to the family room television....it is stocked with fun family games that we discovered a little too late in our stay. The kids had a blast at the pool and in the gameroom, as did the adults. Although the neighborhood is nice, the alarm system provided added security. Thank you for providing such a great home!!!
July 22, 2011
This was the most beautifully decorated and furnished home ever, everything that we needed was ready and available for us. We really enjoyed our stay and would most definitly come back and stay again. It accommodated our group of 15 well with no problem. Thanks for allowing us to stay in your beautiful home.
Mills River, NC USA
July 13, 2011
great time! the rental home looked small from outside, but it was wonderful! There was 11 of us, 9 adults & 2 teenagers. The home was spacious and so nice. There was plenty of dishes and silverware and we cooked everyday. The washer and dryer was awesome. Just really can't say enough about what a great experience we had as a family. Thank you so much. Oh, how could I forget the pool. The pool was such a blessing and the patio furniture was very convenient and alot of pieces for everyone to sit and enjoy the evening. We will definitely tell our friends...
Port Charlotte, FL
Absolutely fantastic place!
May 26, 2011
Our family of 14 (three generations, most flying in from the west coast) visited for a week in May and had an excellent time. We "did" the Disney parks which was just a short drive down Highway 192 and so very close and easy. Walmart is nearby, as is Sweetbay and the house is great. We had everyone from a 65 year old to an 18 month old and we were very comfortable. Four and a half baths made it convenient with our large family. The game room kept the guys busy (pool table, air hockey and foos ball). The jacuzzi was a great place to soak our weary bodies at the end of a long day in the Disney Parks. The crib and high chair were an added bonus we didn't know about, but really helped with the littlest one. We added a blender to the appliances (we left it for future visitors), but other than that, the kitchen is well stocked. The HMA does not allow BBQ grills, so we skipped our Sunday afternoon BBQ and made other arrangements. The house itself is very, very comfortable. The living room allows for quiet conversations while the television room gives you all the updated sports or Disney channel, depending on your audience. There is a child's safety fence around the pool, so we didn't have to worry about the little ones. Lots of deck chairs let us take advantage of the sun. The beds are comfortable and plentiful, as are the towels. We brought our own beach towels, and I would recommend that. The washer and dryer are huge and easy to operate, which was good with the kids. I would definitely recommend this to any family, or even couples or groups of friends, though some of the bedrooms are twin beds. There is a Mickey Mouse room which our 5 and 6 year old loved!
Burlington, ON, Canada
Best Stay Ever!
March 18, 2011
We had two families consisting of 4 adults and 5 children stay during spring break and had a wonderful time. The villa was very clean, well maintained and had all the conveniences of home. The area around the villa was wonderfulas well with a lot of shopping and attractions close by. Pool, spa, BBQ, bedrooms and bathrooms were excellent. We had a wonderful time and are planning to return next year. Would recommend the villa to anyone considering a trip to Florida!
Hastings MI USA
March 16, 2011
Nice vacation home
February 15, 2011
Our group of ten had a great stay at Florida star villa, easy transport, shopping convenience, quiet nabourhood, very spacious and bright just like the pictures. There are plenty of supply of kitchen utensils and towels. The spa and pool added a lot of fun too. We will definitely come back for our next visit.
February 1, 2011
this was our second time renting this home and we had a great time! This home has it all and is much better equipped than most homes that rent for three times as much!
Amy Austin Reale
What a contrast to other villas in Orlando
January 22, 2011
Not a cheap track house like so many others. I booked this for a week long business trip with my Director and other co-workers. Everyone was blown away. It was so much better (and less expensive) than multiple hotel rooms. We all had privacy but also had fun shooting pool, watching movies, etc. It actually turned out to be a great team building experience that would have been missed at a hotel. The wireless Internet covered the whole house including poolside and was fast enough to support every body's work. The VPN didn't drop like at most hotels. Also, cellphone service was great. Thanks Gill and Ed for everything. We felt like guests in your home. I'll be in touch soon to book the family trip.
Northern Virginia, USA
Florida Star Villa
December 6, 2010
This house was wonderful. It comfortably slept 14 people and the overall design of the house was good for family activities. It had all the amenities that we needed. I would recommend this house and would stay there again if/when we visit Orlando.
September 12, 2010
This home more than lived up to our expectations! It was spacious, beautifully decorated, centrally located, very clean and well equipped. We are already started planning when we can get back. I cannot recommend this villa enough!
July 23, 2010
We just returned from a week in Florida and were extremely pleased with the Villa in Glenbrook. Very clean and spacious it accomodated 15 of us and could have probably fit another 4-5 comfortably. Very quiet area and a short drive to all ammenities. Pool was awesome ( i would recommend you pay for heating). The Kids spent most of their time in the pool at all hours. You can't get better for the price. Thanks Ed and Gill.
Long Island, NY
The Best Vacation EVER!!!
May 27, 2010
I cannot say enough about this house! Absolutely beautiful from the minute you walk in the front door. Ever room is decorated beautifully and the entire house is IMMACULATE! Fully stocked with all the linens you could need - enough towels to keep you there for a month - dishes, glasses, etc. Washer and dryer so that we could come home with clean clothes - game room with pool, air hockey, foos ball so we could shower, dress, and relax in peace while the kids kept busy and a beautiful pool/hot tub/deck area. By far the BEST vacation stay ever - better than ANY rental home or hotel I've ever stayed in! 150% recommended!!!!
Nancy Mercedes Pascone
Babylon, New York, USA
May 27, 2010
We had such a wonderful time! Florida Star Villa was more beautiful than we imagined. Everything was amazing! The house was huge & beautifully decorated, perfect for multi families. We were so comfortable and the amenities in the home were just awesome. The pool was so much fun, we swam every single day/night & the kids loved it. The game room was so cool, we played for hours each night. We find ourselves missing the house everyday now, especially all the great new appliances. It was just wonderful, you thought of everything & it really was perfect. We will be back as soon as we can & I will recommend your Villa to everyone. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
March 5, 2010
This home was perfect for our entire family. The kids loved the game room and so did the adults. Lots of extra ammenities that made our stay comfortable. wish the pool was a little warmer so the kids could swim (wish the weather was warmer as well). We will recommend this to all our friends and will be back soon.
Orotina, Costa Rica
January 30, 2010
We had a great time and the house was the perfect complement for it. For sure I`ll come back again !!!
October 16, 2009
This house was amazing so clean.Everything was great so much room and the owner with whom I kept in contact with was so nice a reassuring. I would reccomend this house to everyone and anyone.I have found my vacation home and my family and I will return....Thanks again..The Moore Family
October 13, 2009
2 families that really enjoyed your House. ! With more than enough space for the children and the two families to live happily together we had a wonderful time in Orlando. The house is clean, first-class furnished and with all you need to accommodate your vacation. We will tell all our friends about it and the next time going to Orlando we have a home there ! Cheers ! Bakken & Falch-Monsen family
Florida Star Villa
March 7, 2009
We really enjoyed the house with all it's amenities! The game room and pool and spa were great, and although we didn't use it, the clubhouse has a lot of nice features available to guests as well. The location to all of Disney is very convenient. Many new grocery stores and restaurants are very close by as well. We appreciated the help of the Management Company also. It was great for our family of 15.
Owner Supplied Testimonials
I love this place so nice and clean and fresh I feel at home away from home thank u and I will treat it like its my home thank Y W and family!!!!
Posted on behalf of YW
(stayed February 2012)
We have just returned from our lovely vacation in your beautiful villa.
We wanted to let you know that we found the villa to be a perfect place for our family of 11. Everyone was extremely happy with the accommodations. We had everything we needed to make our stay a fabulous family time. We were close to everything we wanted to visit and had access to every convenience for shopping and dining.
We visited all the Disney parks, dined with chef Mickey and visited legoland.
One daughter even got engaged on this trip!
Posted on behalf of N K, Bellville, Ohio
(stayed 7 nights commencing 16 February 2012)
Gill and Ed,
We had a wonderful time, enjoyed the house immensely.
Everything was very clean and comfortable, so glad we
found it on the internet.
Posted on behalf of DK, Arkansas
(stayed February 2012)
Superb luxury home for relaxing. Stayed during April 2011.Reservation
transaction was simple and straight forward. Near to Disney so that traffic
is not an issue. Wonderfully clean and well maintained. Nicely kept
neighborhood close to shopping. Internet access was wonderful to use in
planning trips to restaurants and theme parks. Our IPAD connected
Great value and highly recommended! LS, Northern Virginia, USA
On behalf of the 3 families including 6 children all under the age of 7, I would like to thanks you very much for the opportunity to stay in the Florida Star Villa. With such ample space, so close to so many amenities, and barely 10 minutes to Disney parks, we could not have selected a better location. Your home is so well laid out with so
much space for common activities, including the huge and very well equipped games room and the large pool and spa that there were a couple of times during our 10 day stay that the kids only wanted to stay and play in the pool. The bedrooms (all 7) were more than adequate as were the multiple bathrooms and the living areas. The
kitchen and pantry was well equipped and a great central location for all to gather and the pool area became our outdoor room to play in.
The property was very well presented and should we ever travel your way again we will surely make contact to arrange a booking.
(Feel free to post my comments as people should be aware that your home can comfortably handle large numbers comfortably)
GV Cole Harbour, Canada - April 2011
"We had a wonderful time at the Florida Star. It was beyond our expectations!
Your decorating, amenities, and extras were all perfect! I could be heard to say every day that this is "another day in paradise" and at the end of the week that "this was one of the all time greatest weeks of my life".
We played pool almost every night and cooked on the grill everyday. The kids loved the pool and really improved their swimming skills - ate a ton, and slept like rocks. Who could ask for more?"
P&J, Indiana, USA
"All of us have had a absolutely fantastic holiday making it all the better for staying in your gorgeous villa.
The villa exceeded all expectations and we all agree that when we next visit Florida that we would all love to stay there again. I shall have no hesitation in recommending Florida Star to all our family and friends! It was 5 star accomodation in paradise!
Thank you both for a wonderful holiday."
S&R, Staffordshire UK
"The villa was wonderful. It is rare to find somewhere to stay that is not only beautifully furnished and equipped, but so new and clean. Clearly no expense has been spared in fitting the villa out.
Everyone had a wonderful time, I hope to return as soon as possible!"
"Thank you again for sharing your home with us! What a wonderful feeling it was to return to the warm and welcoming retreat of Florida Star after the fast-paced and adventure-filled days in Orlando!
I also have to tell you how convenient you made things by having the computer available, as well as the PS2! It was so great to be able to get precise directions or reserve tickets on-line, as well as the occasional email check for work. The house is decorated so perfectly....what a great treat.
Again thank you so very much...we all had a spectacular time!"
K & L N, USA
"We had a great time at your beautiful house. It was very, very comfortable, and very centrally located. You can be sure I'll tell friends and family about it and direct them to you".
T F, New York
"Here at your computer and I can't believe this house, the villa on line does not do this place justice we are all so pleased with it. Thanks so much it was well worth the wait. THANKS again."
K&M C, Newfoundland
"We really enjoyed the home. It was very comfortable, and the layout was fantastic. We enjoyed the pool quite a bit as well. The PC and DSL wireless was a nice perk as well. Played golf at two of the courses your on line site offered.
Hopefully will rent from you again in the future".
S&M B, Georgia
"Thank you so much for everything. The house exceeded our expectations. We had a wonderful time. Everyone loved the house, the pool and one of my guests commented on how lovely the house was decorated. It was really a joy and we are hoping to be able to do it again some time soon".
BL, New York
"Everything was GREAT, WONDERFUL and SPECTACULAR. We will be back again next year. The villa was beautiful, neat, clean and tastefully decorated. Even my
mother took home some decorating ideas (and she really does have good
"Just a note to say thanks for the wonderful home you rented to us for our stay on Orlando. What a fun but exhausting trip!!
Your home is beautiful and very accomodating! Our kids loved the pool and the game room was a big hit! Will recommend your home to family and friends who plan trips to Orlando in the future".
"The vacation was spectacular!! The house was spectacular!! We cannot say enough. We will highly recommend your home to all our friends and relatives and in the future, hopefully if we can afford it, we would like to go and stay in the Florida Star home again. It was fabulous.
Each son had his own room and TV and that in itself was great. The internet was great!! We have dial up here so it is very very slow. it was so nice just go on whenever we wanted. And it was so fast.
The furnishings were beautiful. The house was EXTREMELY clean. That was really a plus. The pool and spa were beautiful too. That is where we spent most of our time".
K & S P, Michigan
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We are Gill and Ed Danvers and have owned Florida Star villa from new. We have been renting to families for some years now. We take great pride in our vacation home and maintain it to very high standards for our guests and our own family. We love Florida and visit often, sometimes with our family...
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